tv The Young Turks With Cenk Uygur Current May 7, 2013 4:00pm-5:01pm PDT
♪ theme ♪ cenk: welcome to "the young turks." huge show ahead. unfortunately, casualties in the army are going up. some republicans on the issue of gun control beginning to waiver. all of a sudden, they're not happy about their poll numbers. we'll talk about that later. chris christie apparently had storing lose weight. did it work? all right now we start with an amazing story i'm sure you've all seen it on line or on t.v.
three girls found who were missing in cleveland they're all in the same house, they were apparently kidnapped by the same people. the castro family. abc news has more on that. >> i'm amanda berry. i've been on the news for the last 10 years. >> 26-year-old amanda berry along with gina dejesus and 32-year-old michelle knight who disappeared separately about a decade ago were likely held in that house all those years. at some point berry gave birth to a girl, who's now six. police aren't talking about the father. police have 36 hours to file formal charges against ariel castro and his two brothers, all accused in the kidnapping. >> the primary suspect is 52 years old, a former school bus driver, and now lost that job at the end of last year, it's unclear why. he was arrested for domestic abuse in 1993, but a grand jury
refused to indict him. he owned the house where the women were found. he apparently owes just about $2,500 in back taxes on the home which at this point is definitely the least of his problems. his two brothers with him are he kneel castro and pedro castro. as soon as i saw this story, of course, you know, you think about people you love and if these guys had kidnapped them, the kind of damage you'd want to do on them. man, as i see the pictures, i get that visceral reaction. we'll talk about whether that's right or wrong in a second. i know what's definitely right the hero of this story, charles ramsey. one of the women had been pounding and screaming at the door. charles went into investigate found them and broke the door down to get the first girl out.
absolute hero, and he's still got a great sense of humor about this too. let's watch him. >> heard her screaming i'm eating my mcdonald's. i come outside and i see this girl going nuts, trying to get out of a house. i go on the porch. she says help me get out i've been here a long time. so we kicked the bottom, and she comes out with a little girl, and she says call 911 my name is amanda berry. the girl told the police i ain't just the only one, there's more girls up in that house. they look like they haven't been fed in a long time, pro. >> you had no idea. >> not a clue that that girl was in that house or anybody else in there against their will. because how he is, is he comes out to his back yard, plays with the dogs, tinkering with his cars and motorcycles. nothing exciting about him until today. >> what was the reaction on the girls faces?
>> i knew something was wrong when a little pretty white girl ran into a black man's arms. something is wrong here. >> who doesn't love charles ramsey? thank god he helped those girls and found them in that home. we've got a great all star, all yahoo panel for you guys, beth fouhy, aaron task, and walt at her shapiro. we have our legal correspondent and former sex crimes prosecutor, won robin sax with us in the studio. do we have a motive? we can guess at it, but give me details here. >> we're speculating that it's a sexual assault now. some details are showing this was a case very much like jaycee
dugard. missed opportunities. a neighbor saw a naked girl crawling around the yard, called the police, the police didn't react. a man was seen with coming out with lots and lots and lots of mcdonald's. and signs and symptoms that are our worst fear of having been there seem to have been there. cenk: let me open it up to everybody. you know mainly of course throughout the show, we're going to talk about politics and i'll talk with the guys from. >> who but i'm a parent and i don't know if you guys are parents, but anybody who wants to jump in here as to your gut reaction? my gut reaction, i'm going to be completely honest with you was massive violence. i would have wanted to retaliate in the biggest way against these guys. >> i hate to play the michael dukakis of this conversation,
but my reaction was oh, god this is horrible, these things happen in a nation of 310 million, it is so horrible and luckily we have a legal system to deal with it fairly. cenk: bless your heart. you're absolutely right about that. that's why we don't let the victim's families decide the punishment because they would overreact. if it was your family you would overreact. >> sometimes they underreact and sometimes they are scared, so you kind of take that power away from them, so that is a benefit. >> aaron were you going to say something? >> no, i thought he was going to jump in. now, here's more -- wait, aaron is saying something, but i missed it. let me give you a further update. there is an amazing twist in this case. it turns out that one of these women was featured on america's most wanted and they have the clip of her best friend talking about right before she went
missing, turns out her best friend was the daughter of ariel castro. look at this clip from back in the day. >> i talked to the last person who did see gina that day her best friend and classmate arlene castro. the two girls were walking home hoping to suspended the rest of the afternoon at gina's house. i decided to call my mom and ask her, and so she gave me 50 cents to call my mom and so my mom said no, that i can't go over her house and so i told her i couldn't, and she said well, ok, i'll talk to you later and she walked. cenk: you know, as you hear that story, every part of this story is gut-wrenching. honestly, i wonder did she know, she lives in the house, they have the three girls in the house. there's the son who wrote a story apparently about one of these girls who was kidnapped. did he know? and i don't know, it's stomach
turning, the whole thing about it. any indication so far. >> even without knowing what they may have thought this case screams not only now as parents are sitting here watching us talk about this case about empowering your kids with information to keep them safe, but also going back to almost the boston bombing when something seems out of sort, tell and tell and tell until someone does something. this may have been one of those opportunities. cenk: it's interesting you brought up the boston bombing. we are having an audio issue with aaron but i want to go to beth. to me, this is scarier you feel the boss is to be about how manying is random and very unlikely to hit you but there are predators in every town. this scared me more than anything else. what was your reaction to it? >> well, i think on a visceral level, it's completely understandable. when you're imagining a bunch of teenage girls trapped in a home and apparently from what it
sounds like, becoming sex slaves to a trio of older men that literally does turn your stomach. i to have agree with walter, though, that these cases are so significant, because they're so rare they're so unusual. i mean, we all remember the names of the people who have had this happen to them, jaycee dugard elizabeth smart in utah. they become infamous, because these things hardly ever happen, so they are stories because of their unusualness, not because of how common they are, thank goodness. for me, more than visceral revulsion is to figure out how the police missed the clues. i'm sure they were doing what they could but evidently the disappearance of these girls was a huge, huge story. you would think if a neighbor is calling police and saying i saw a woman crawling around in a back yard with no clothes on and
you're dealing with a pending missing persons case, that would jump out at you as something to pursue, but i'm sure over the course of the next few days, a lot of the pieces will be filled in and we'll understand more. >> yeah, one of the fathers was really upset that there was no amber alert done on his daughter. another disappeared when she was 20 and that apparently got a lot less attention which is scary. over 18, nobody cares anymore? obviously her family cares tremendously the loved ones care, but it appears the police did not take as much action. >> we need to highlight what beth brought out. she's right these situations are very rare, ate 7% to 92% of sexual assaults happen between people the victim knows. it's familial, not these stranger type cases. we're feeding into that frenzy of fear. there needs to be that perspective, but this is an opportunity right now to talk about the familial violence
happenings in homes. that's where we can actually take that boston bombing type of randomness and put this into perspective here. cenk: the other part of this is man, look, as i saw the daughter was the best friend of one of the girls in one of these situations, it makes me think one, they're within a couple of miles where they disappeared from, it turns out they were there the whole time. they're almost always there the whole time whether christopher dormer hiding from the police up in the woods i'd go house to house. i'd want to do everything i possibly could that i'm sure the parents did. it goes to the question, the cops you don't know when it was they got the call of the naked person in the yard. it wasn't probably like right after the person disappeared they would have followed up more thoroughly, and then the people you know, and it turns out they
didn't know other people. >> they had left the kid on the bus and they closed the days. police had been called, dcfs was called. you think if dcfs walked into the house and realized they can't enter or exit a house because of a little bit of space, something was wrong. >> i hear we've got aaron back. go ahead aaron. >> i sort of think first of all i'm a parent and had the same visceral reaction you did. it's like a horror movie but it's real life and real frightening that this guy and we heard charles ramsey talk about it. he was going about his every day business and then he threw these horrific acts. my heart goes out to the family of all these three girls as well as any family with a missing child. this gives them hope their child will be found. unfortunately, the ones found is really the rare instances. cenk: if i could make one last political point here. these guys, if they're guilty, are the worst of the worst.
they're really our nightmare as parents, we all feel that. yet, we're going to give them rights because we should, because they're americans and that's what we do. if it's charles manson, the unibomber, we give them rights. that's what we should do for everybody. that's what makes us better than them and the chaos that is out there in the world. if you believe that american is the shining city on a hill, this is when we prove it, that we don't necessarily feed into the reaction that i had. walter's right. ok? we do things by the book and we eventually bring them to justice. all right. we're going to take a break. when we come back, we're going to talk about jeff blake. he's in a panic. he's the lowest rated senator now because of how he voted on guns. all of a sudden, reconsidering that vote. we'll talk about it when we come back. guys that do reverse mortgage commercials? those types are
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>> (laughter). >> watch the show. >> only on current tv. cenk: we're back on "the young turks." polls closed a little over 15 minutes ago in south carolina. the first district has a special election coming up. the latest polls has mark son ford famously of the appalachian trail/not of the appalachian trail and elizabeth colbert busch nearly in a tie. she's predicting victory. you can see her voting there. mark son ford on the other hand said if i lose, i this i that's all the chances i get you. get a second chance, you probably don't get a third. might be right about that. let's bring our panel back, beth
toy, walter shapiro and aaron. is mark son ford right? is it really the case that they're both done if they lose, because no colbert busch can't beat mark son ford in that district, can she beat anybody in that district? >> i can't think of a house race with more interest surrounding it for dramatic reasons and less lasting political significance. mark sanford's career, win or lose, is over. he is a disgraced figure in south carolina, he is a disgraced figure in the house of representatives if he wins. steven colbert's sister, who pronounces the t wins, she will be a very, very endangered democratic in a district that tends to be 10%-15% republican
and the life history of those kind of democrats in those kind of republican districts is not good the first time she gets a serious opponent. the real thing i would love the mark son ford drama to go away. i think all of these people who want hungering for second chances, wash the feet of lepers for 10 years and then come back and say can i have a second chance. anyway the same lesson as far as i'm concerned applies to anthony wiener who is debating running for mayor of new york. please, go away and take eliot spitzer with you. cenk: not enough leper cleaning. there's a couple of parts i disagree with. if mark son ford wins, the fact that he's disgraced is not going to matter at all.
i think he stays in that seat for a long, long time. david vitters is grades. who cares? if you're a republican, you have a much better chance to get away with it. you'll have to get him out of there with a crowbar. >> i think if he wins, he'll have a primary fight in 2014. cenk: i think he'll win that fight. >> you may be right. cenk: i think people dismissing mark sanford are doing it prematurely unless he loses we get results in about 15 minutes and it turns out he lost, then yes, presumably, he can go on any trail he likes. beth, a quick question about the politics. the republicans pulled money from mark sanford's campaign once he was accused of trespassing in his ex-wife's house. were they also pulling money because they would rather not have mark sanford win because he's a stain on the party if he's in the house and figuring
if colbert busch beats us this time around, we'll beat her next time. >> when it first happened, i thought this is crazy an example of washington not being in touch you with voters. i thought why pull the money from this guy in a republican district, which will be a huge embarrassment to them if he loses, and that it would elect a democratic in a district that hasn't elected a democratic in quite some time. then i started thinking about it and a yeah, maybe they rather would have elizabeth colbert busch for one term or fraction of one term. they think they can knock her off in 2014 and with a can't date they feel proud of and can get behind with more enthusiasm. i don't think anyone wants mark sanford back. he's a strange guy embarrassed his state and party. for him to represent republicans on capitol hill at a time the republicans are trying to rebrand themselves as something
more acceptable to voters including women voters especially he's probably not the guy they want i have not there. why not have elizabeth colbert busch for one term, recruit a strong republican candidate to beat her in 2014 and be done with sanford. i think that's probably what they were thinking. go ahead. >> i just wanted to add one thing. the way the house is set up now one vote is not going to matter on anything for the rest of this term of congress. it's not like 1993, where bill clinton passed his economic stimulus package by one vote or 1940, where f.d.r. got a peace time draft to prepare for world war ii by one vote. that isn't the way the word works anymore. who holds the seat doesn't really matter except for personal resume purposes. cenk: my last couple of notes on this is i hear you guys, but as i said on the show yesterday you win by winning. if i was the democrats i'd
really want to win. if i was the republicans i'd really want to win you. never know what happens when somebody becomes an incumbent they get more money and maybe you can't take them out. walter let me disagree with another thing you said. all the difference in the world between anthony wiener and mark son ford, mark son ford used public money. this guy fiscal discipline and i'm a fiscal conservative. he used the public's money tog have sex with his mistress for the planes, et cetera. wiener did something in his personal life that was embarrassing but affected him in no way shape or form in wrong. >> exempt for the fact that wiener held a press conference and lied about it. >> they're politicians. they're all liars. >> all of us have done crazy things for love and i think the people of south carolina are forgiving. he was a pretty popular governor before he disappeared.
he did marry this mistress. may be it was true love. wouldn't be surprised if he wins. cenk: i think they're engaged. anyway republicans kill me, man. if a democratic does it, they're immoral, of the devil, et cetera. oh, he believes in second chances. >> he wouldn't be the most immoral person in congress if he wins. >> i think we're all in agreement on that. cenk: absolutely. another republican in trouble he voted against background checks and boy did he take a hit for it. 51% voter disapproval now only 32% voter approval, making him the most unpopular senator in the country. he said: as if that wasn't bad enough, he said:
cenk: ok. now today he comes out and says would i vote against background checks? i meant maybe i'm in favor of background checks. here he is on a tweet: cenk: come on, you just voted against them! cenk: i voted for the grassley amendment. are you buying that he was always in favor of background checks before he was against them? >> not really. senator kelley up in new hampshire is having the same experience. her poll numbers have plummeted republicans in new hampshire to vote against this. she was for background checks, too. they're all trying to do a redo on this, realizing apparently, that they miscalculated, but this time was a little different, voters wanted something, anything out of this congress to show that they got the fact that public opinion was
very much with the idea of background checks and the legislation really wasn't all that strict. it's kind of amazing that they would vote against something that was actually, you know, fairly open to many gun owners. the point is, i think in the case of jeff slake he represents arizona the home of gabrielle giffords. she's a very emotional figure in that state right now. for him to vote against her and what happened to her there is a pretty strong strike against him in a state that is still to raw over what happened there. cenk: i see this oddly a lot of people would see my view as odd. i see it as an indictment of barack obama. i'll tell you why. it's because he always says well, i don't have the votes there's nothing i can do, poor me woe is me, i don't have the votes. turns out even if you lose, if
you fight really hard, it turns out if the polls were on your side, you might have the votes next time. the fact that he didn't fight hard on all of those other issues doesn't this kind of prove that he was wrong with that? >> this is a critique of obama i share with you totally. i mean, i am shocked that we have never had a barack obama going to the country for six months at a time saying the economy needs more stimulus. people are out of work for two and three years and they're suffering. that he says again, i don't have the votes, but how do you change the conversation if you don't go to the people? what i worry about is jeff flake says i'm for background checks if they don't affect internet sales. since it is one of the most underregulated part of the whole gun debate, we are going to
water done this legislation. cenk: we're back in agreement walter. >> the tension on me was just awful. cenk: aaron, last question's for you. walter made a great point there the whole election was about jobs jobs, jobs. since the election we have not talked about jobs at all. at all! all we talk about if anything is the grand bargain which is in some ways an austerity package. does that mean to walter's point that barack obama doesn't really care that much about that issue and doesn't really care to press snit. >> walter's point seems barack obama only goes to the american people when his job is on the line. once reelected, i'm good, i got this. he was trying to scare us, we might have sequester, it's going to be terrible. now we're having sequester economy is terrible and he doesn't have a plan to fix it. it's a travesty, the jobless
problem in america. even as the economy improves a little bit we still have 37% of americans unemployed are for more than six months. if you're unemployed for more than six months, you ever almost no shot of getting a job. cenk: this is massively bipartisan, the republicans have no plan, in fact their plan is more austerity which i think would cost more jobs. >> at least they have a plan and have a philosophy and they're out there fighting for it. i disagree with their plans and ideas, but i know where they stand. i don't know where barack obama stands. cenk: that's a good points. the republicans stand for tax cuts for the rich will magically create trickle down jobs. >> exactly. >> barack obama says i kind of agree with that, i kind of agree something else. tell us what you actually want. you've had a whole six months. >> we need stimulus. cenk: all right we've got to take a quick break here. sex crimes in the army, they're
sure sexual assaults did not happen in the air force was arrested for sexual assault. here's a report on that. >> lt. jeffrey krusinski had been trusted to run the sexual assault prevention and response office for the air force but this morning faces charges of sexual battery. the arrest report describes him as a drunken male subject staggering no the darkness and then attacking a woman in the parking lot grabbing her buttocks and breasts. police say the woman had to fight him off. cenk: all right the numbers only get worse when you dive into them. a report says the official number of reported cases went up 6% from 2011-2012. they were not all necessarily reported. in 2012, we had 26,000, a dramatic increase.
of the sexual assaults in 2012, 28% were aggressive school contact and 27% were rape. the most telling part of all this is 62% of those reported felt that they were revictimmized and retaliated against for reporting their assault. well if that is what happens obviously you're not going to report it. let's bring in the panel. beth, let me start with you here. is the number one problem here i guess the culture in the armed forces that hey you better not report this, if you do, it's your fault? >> oh, i don't know. i think it's reflective of the fact that women are still despite the fact that their numbers are growing dramatically across the armed forces are still not integrated in a way officials thought they would be by doing things like lifting the
ban on women in combat, really promoting women in leadership roles in the military. let's face it, it's still a very male environment and male culture. i would say that that's probably fair to say and it does keep women from feeling comfortable stepping forward. it's not to say that all the victims are women. i mean, i'm sure some men were victims, as well. my understanding is that overwhelmingly the victims that were part of this report were women, and it's not a very suitable environment for women to stand up and assert themselves especially talking about men who were in authority positions over them. it's a real problem. i think what's exciting is there's a champion for women in the military, it's senator christian jillebrand, a senator from new york who has taken a real leadership role. she is insist be ve hemently that it has to stop. president obama was quite forceful talking about this that
there's got to be a zero tolerance policy. i think there is some recognition that things have to change. what has to happen within the culture of the military to make things change and make women comfortable speaking up and to get rid of the culture of violence against them is probably a while to go. >> chuck headache he will taking positive steps so the commanding officers and others are making the decisions. i was led to believe that the problem we were going to have would be gays in the mill military. turns out straights may be the real problem. >> in terms of women in combat, this is a time of major transition for the american military, not to mention the one war we finished, sort of, iraq and the one war we're almost finished with, afghanistan against that backdrop, i kept reading this report, seeing the
vigorous reaction from obama mccaskill, they got the message much the same way when harry truman integrated the armed forces. i think five or 10 years from now, it's sexual assault outside of the military that are going to be the problem. >> that's interesting. aaron, last point here is look, if i have a daughter and i know that 62% of the people who reported sal assault in the military got retaliated against or revictimmized, i'd be scared of sending my daughter into the military. is that going to be a recruiting problem for the military, given that natural reaction? >> well, i think so, but i think it's actually reflective of how things are across society. women and other victims of sex
crimes feel afraid to speak up, because they fear retaliation or no one willis to them. that's really a shame. in terms of the military, they've lowered standards for who they put in, and they're going to do really bad and really dumb things. i take some solace that this woman who was groped dave it to jeffrey krusinski and hopefully he will probably go to jail. cenk: small bit of solace. when i saw the mug shot, i was like man she let him have it, so that's a good thing. when we come back, we're going to do a u. block when you guys ask me questions. some of serious some goofy. it's always fun. come back.
block. i have an update in the south carolina first district, mark son ford leading with 2% reporting. calm down, it doesn't mean anything. we'll come back to it later. digital queen is here to give me some questions that i will answer in rapid fashion. >> digital queen can you say that like five more times and or every time i talk to you? cenk: no. what's the next question? >> question from just sean g93. just watched the video of tyt the night the vote was called on 2008. how let down do you feel by barack obama. cenk: you know the answer. am i let down by obama? of course. i was never starry eyed in the first place. i felt he was less pro
establishment than hillary clinton, that's why i supported him in the primaryion. i knew joe lieberman was his leader in the senate. he never fought bush. i just didn't know he was going to be this much of a letdown how much he was going to love the establishment and not try to change it at all. tremendous letdown of obama even with my expectations that weren't that high to begin with. >> from the what the heck is cenk saying category. what does have at it, hoss mean? who's hoss? cenk: hoss i guess would be from bonanza. i didn't know why i was saying it. one of our listeners said you got that from old school where in the debate he says have at it hoss. i said you're righted i love "old school."
all i'm doing is copying them. >> from will ferrell. >> next mom modern unit. are christians playing the victim card when talking gay marriage? of course! this is the same card they played conservatives did not all christians obviously, right, back in the civil rights era when they said oh, you know, it's you're not tolerant of my interpretation of the bible that says that blacks and whites are not equal. that sounds outrageous today right? they used the bible to justify slavery, anti civil rights, et cetera. the minute you challenge them, they'd cry oh, i'm the victim, why won't you let me use the bible to hate other people? you know who didn't want to use the bible to hate other people?
jesus christ, except there was no bible back then, but you see my point. >> dominic red said because there will always be easily influenced people, should libs fight fire with fire? cenk: generally i'm in favor of extra fire. i like fight be fire with fire. they have money, we should raise more money and then crush them and then get money out of politics. you don't want to be like them. what they do is they lie. if you lie then you lost credibility, and what was the point of doing this in the first place? i'm not playing a partisan game here. the democrats are not my uncles. i got no interest in defending them. we fight back with the fire of honesty, forged in the valyrian fires. more "game of thrones"
references. >> how big a wrestling fan were you? >> as a kid i'm old school, the living legend, no, not that far back. but i was a nine on a 10. i didn't really believe now i'm a zero, because they should have never admitted it. of course it was fake. of course, but they never should have admitted it. it takes away that 1% veil and that makes a huge difference. now you know they're all actors. i used to say grandma, can you believe that elbow he dropped can you believe it? shed of course i don't believe it. they admitted it. >> how much did watching that much wrestling impact how you talk as a person on television. cenk: norm mouse elbow from the sky. my favorite was mean gotten oakerland. anytime any bad guy did anything
would go oh, no. i till use it these days. >> one more, has tv gone the way of the radio and in a few years on line tv will be the norm? >> absolutely. tv is not dead. it's got a wrong way to go, but is on line media the future, for the third time in this segment of course! check us out oniontucker.com. chris christie does lap band surgery. did it work? we'll show you the pictures, you be the judge.
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the dust up with a white house doctor about whether he was unhealthy in terms of how much he weighed and whether that would affect him in office. >> i worry about this man dying in office. >> completely irresponsible. my 12-year-old son said dad are you going to die? if she wants to come to new jersey and ask me if she wants to examine me, i'll have a conversation with her about that. cenk: is there a person in america that chris christie has not told to shut up yet? it turns out he kind of took her advice apparently had secret surgery. let's go to abc news to find out more. >> christie said it's bigger than 2016, this is about his family, that when he turned 50, he looked in the mirror, realized that he had to get healthier, was getting older and decided to do the surgery. christy checked in the hospital over president's day weekend back in february, under a
pseudonym. his staff didn't find out until yesterday. cenk: he said it was about his family. >> what spurred me to do it, i turned 50 years old and it made me think and you know, i got confronted with, you know, your own, you know, mortality, as you tart to age. from my perspective this is about mary pat and the kids and me. it's really not about anybody else and it shouldn't be about anybody else. everybody's going to have opinions as is obvious from this scrum of people here today but i don't -- with all due respect to everybody here, your opinions on this issue really don't matter a whole hell of a lot to me. cenk: yeah, so shut up. all right.
well, let's show you a before and after picture here, and which one is which? i see, ok. well now, there's a little bit of a difference there. look, my truth is that i'm also an overweight person from new jersey. walter let me start to you about this, mixing a couple of different political references in that one line. are you buying it, did he do it for politics or his family? >> there's never one reason for anything, but i cannot let the segment go by without quoting another beefy american politician former mississippi governor haley barber who said when his name was floated as a candidate, if you see me losing 40 pounds, i'm either running or i have cancer. cenk: yeah, and that's interesting, because this was an issue for mike huckabee, too. when he started gaining weight
before the last elections, they said i guess he's not going to run and that turned out to be the case. beth, does this mean that chris christie is going to run? >> i think he's definitely giving himself more of an option to do so. look, i don't doubt that he's primarily doing it for himself and his own health. let's face it, we all do things for our own personal selfish reasons before our greater ambition. he couldn't run if he were as fat as he was. it's simply impossible. the very tough act of running from campaign rally, up and down the stairs of the airplanes bad food horrible sleep it's a process that challenges even the healthiest among us. i covered barack obama and hillary clinton and john mccain in 2008, and i can tell you especially even with obama who's such a health nut, he was like a basket case by the end of this campaign. chris christie knows whether
he's decided to run for president or not he's got to get the weight issue off the table before he makes the decision, otherwise the weight issue was going to make the decision for him that he simply couldn't run. cenk: off the table. don't think i missed it. i got that. i want to move to a second issue. i want to get aaron's opinion on this. liberal groups are mad at mark zuckerberg and tech giants because they're doing this campaign to get more high skilled immigrants and the visas that go along with them in the country, but doing it in a way so they're giving money to republican to say run on environmental issues not the immigration issue. let me show you one ad here, lindsey graham, supported by mark zukerburg. >> when lindsey graham's in washington, what did he do? >> change that you care in after
this health care bill is an empty slogan. >> president obama said i'm for all the above when it comes to energy. no key stone pipeline, no drilling in the gulf. cenk: now liberal groups have said about this, aaron are they right to be upset here. if you're going to run on an immigration issue run ads on that, but blindly giving money to run issues that are anti environmental are not kosher. >> it's strange. i don't understand the strategy to say we want to you support on the visa issue and immigration so we're going to give you money to support the key stone pipeline. mark zuckerberg us an order character. i don't think this is going to help his public image wimp is not too great by the way.
walter and beth can speak to this. it's strange political strategy to do this. cenk: it's zuckerberg, bill gates, read hoffman. my thought acknowledge is yeah, they're all incredibly wealthy half of them are billionaires, so they're republicans mystery solved. >> it's not that they're republicans. if you have to do one thing, i would boycott facebook for lack of privacy controls. cenk: i hear you on that. i think zuckerberg is a strange bird overall. we're out of time on this. you guys were all great, thank you so much for being on "the young turks" with us. >> thanks. cenk: when we come back, you know what happens, one last dramatic point. >> "viewpoint" digs deep into the issues of the day. >> do you think that there is
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>> cenk: elizabeth colbert busch leading over sanford. 4% reported. still too close to call. we'll tell you who won tight on theungturksom. you can catch us on youtube.com/tyt. "viewpoint" is next. >> john: good evening. the heritage foundation's report on immigration was release and immediately shot to the top of the fiction best-seller list but
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